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There is talk that there were some catastrophic weather shifts and famines associated with the Bronze Age Collapse. It's hard to be sure. There are some special old world things in existence which don't fit the standard timelines of events.

It was really hard to forge iron in the old days, hard to get the heat, and manage it, and hard to work it.

Somewhere along the way there was critical masss of how to get heat, then enough iron to pound out more iron.

English coal, capitalism, and the eviction of peasants from the land, coupled with mass production, then steam were a wicked onslaught to established systems.

China and India have always been very different, with China concentrating power in hierarchy, and India distributing order in a fractal way, where everybody carried some blurry version of the same order, the caste system. China could be extremely powerful sometimes, then collapse for a few centuries. India was always teeming with life, and sickness, and all kinds of conflicts. Messy, but stable in many ways, supporting a lot of life.

Your discussion of distributed nodes vs centralized got me to thinking of another sort of mode, building a castle to control a river or similar critical trade route, like the Salzturm (Salt-tower) on the river Elbe in Germny. They extracted salt-tax from the salt traders. Constantinople had this kind of criticl position, where it could extract multiple tax flows and make fortifications.

The complexities of management developed in Byzantium remain a thing oof wonder, still evidenced in Greece, Turkey, and Russia.

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